On Hitting women, and Killing Humans
Remember when that religious man said it is permissible to hit your wife if she spends too much? Remember the uproar and the ongoing cases between that man and the reporter?
Well… here is another religious man… that says it is permissible to kill others who do not belong to his sect.
Yet no uproar will happen, and it will not be on the news as much, and bloggers will not write about it… and the world will still keep turning.
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Nov 16, 2009 @ 17:17:00
Maybe its a sign that killing for the sake of religion has become SO 1900s.
Who am I kidding. Theres probably a bunch of crazies sharpening their knives right now.
Nov 16, 2009 @ 20:02:54
Here I’m waging war by protesting against killing in general, and killing for religious reasons in particular.
But nothing is going to happen my dear Qusay as you said.
Sadly there are those who are above and beyond the ethical and humane code that govern us!
Lets find a ‘Sheihk AbdulRahman’ and make him pay for this!!!
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Nov 17, 2009 @ 04:08:24
And it just keeps getting better. From the book:
“There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”
This is from a good article by MJ Rosenberg on religious “nuts” ie extremists of all relgions, here:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/09/fort_hood_its_not_muslims_its_religious_nuts/?ref=c3
According to the Jerusalem Post the books are selling like hot cakes, or blintzes…whatever, they are selling fast:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1257770034282&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
According to this article the books philosophy is already prevalent amongst Jewish settlers in the occupied territories:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1257770034282&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The book will be distributed at a ceremony honour IDF soldiers who refuse to remove Israeli settlers from Homesh, a settlement they were required to leave but continue to return to, after each evacuation.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1257770034282&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
“The book was written in response to the moral dilemmas facing IDF soldiers as they perform constabulary duties in Judea and Samaria amid a hostile Palestinian population.
Both the waving of the sign and the publication of the book illustrate that some religious IDF soldiers have a dual loyalty. On one hand, they are committed to protecting the Jewish state against its enemies. On the other, they are ideologically opposed to the IDF being used against the settler enterprise and are willing to serve only for the prior purpose.
As reflected in Torat Hamelech, some settlers oppose what they perceive as the IDF’s “Western” morality, which needlessly endangers Jewish soldiers in combat situations by obligating them to protect non-combatants.”
An interesting essay at The American Muslim which includes this book, but generally on why it is false to keep pushing Muslims to speak up against Muslim extremists as if no other religion has any:
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslims_must_condemn_religious_extremists1/0017733
From the opening of another excellent essay on Major Hasan and Joe Leiberman, by a Palestinian Muslim American US forces vet, with numerous Muslim American friends and relatives who served or are serving:
http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/11/11/sami-jamil-jadallah-major-nidal-hasan-and-rabbisenator-joseph-lieberman/
“”If we kill a gentile who had sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments… there is nothing wrong with the murder,” Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira head of the Od Yosef Yeshiva in the illegal Jewish settlement of Yitzhak was quoted in the Israeli newspaper Maariv. Rabbi Shapira (no doubt an American Jew) recently published a new book “King’s Torah”, a manifesto of 230 pages on ways and means to kill gentiles according to Jewish laws.”
From a short, informative article:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110923§ionid=351020202
“Shapiro said Jews are allowed to kill ‘those who, by speech, weaken our sovereignty’.
“It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation,” he wrote.
Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have also recommended the book to their students and followers.
During the Israeli three-week offensive on the Gaza Strip last year, some leading rabbis issued a ruling which gave permission to kill civilians in the coastal enclave.
“It is permitted, according to Jewish Law, to fire shells and bombs at the firing sites, even if they are populated by civilians,” read a ruling issued by Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, Rabbi Dov Lior, Rabbi Shalom Dov Wolpe and Rabbi Meir Mazuz.
The ruling gave a free hand to Israeli commanders to attack civilian population during the war in the Gaza Strip in which at least 1350 people, including women and children, were killed. ”
Also informative:
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=238444
In his new book, The King’s Torah, Shapira, who heads the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva, justifies the slaying of “non-Jews who demand the land for themselves,” and for, among other transgressions, “hostile blasphemy.”
Shapira’s book includes a chapter entitled, “Intentional Harm to Innocent People.” The book explains it is permissible to kill civilians in other nations if the population “helps a murderer of Jews… Any case in which the life of the civilian endangers Israel – it is allowed to kill a gentile.”
“The permit also applies when the persecutor is threatening to kill indirectly rather than directly,” Shapira ruled. “If the civilian is aiding fighters it is permissible to kill. Anyone who helps the army and the wicked in any way strengthens pursuers.”
He added, “Citizens [of the enemy nation] contribute to the war… So any citizen who supports the war or the fighters or expresses satisfaction with their deeds – the killing is permitted.”
Even babies and children are fair targets, “if it is clear they will grow up to harm us,” the rabbi wrote. “If hurting an evil leader’s children will pressure him to stop acting maliciously – you can hurt them,” the newspaper reported, quoting Shapira.
ah the good news:
However, the book does not mention Palestinians or Arabs even by implication, Maariv pointed out, explaining that the author meant to discuss the killing of gentiles as a theoretical concept rather than in the context of the region’s politics. The newspaper noted that he was “careful not to explicitly encourage private individuals to take the law into their own hands.”
Hmmm:
“To defeat the wicked one should be vengeful, tit for tat,” he wrote. “Revenge is a necessity… and sometimes doing savage things intended to create a true balance of terror.”
Al Arabiya reports that an Arab Member of the Israeli Knesset has called for the book to be banned and the author arrested:
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/11/10/90860.html
Excellent longer video on the book from Al Jazeera English’s program Inside:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPMrHa0Ap_Q&hl=en_US&fs=1&]
All this linking was in an effort to find what Haaretz had to say about this. The English Haaretz hasn’t said anything, although it seems the Hebrew version has.
Well good to know it is all halachal law–awful to be killed as a gentile in a non-halachal way.
Qusay–if this is too much, edit/ delete whatever.
Nov 17, 2009 @ 06:23:21
PS. That Arab Muslim Lady in the video can really hold her own!
Nov 17, 2009 @ 08:00:21
No way I’m editing any of your comments… Thanks for the valuable info
Nov 23, 2009 @ 08:23:45
Prophet Mohammad’s guidance and words before every war:
Do not kill women or children. Do not cut trees or burn them. Do not kill people worshiping in a temple or a church. Do not kill old men and ill people.
Prophet Mohammad Peace be Upon Him is the prophet of mercy, but unfortunately, some fail to grasp this profound yet simple concept.
Thanks
Nov 23, 2009 @ 08:23:45
Prophet Mohammad’s guidance and words before every war:
Do not kill women or children. Do not cut trees or burn them. Do not kill people worshiping in a temple or a church. Do not kill old men and ill people.
Prophet Mohammad Peace be Upon Him is the prophet of mercy, but unfortunately, some fail to grasp this profound yet simple concept.
Thanks
Nov 16, 2009 @ 20:48:11
And they are everywhere and in every religion and not religion, thanks for your comment
Nov 16, 2009 @ 20:55:37
Can I make u Sheihk Saud and sacrifice you for the sake of your war
Nov 17, 2009 @ 13:36:30